What does “within the reach limits from the seat” mean for for soap dishes at accessible showers?, Comments regarding an interesting letter from an ADA advocate to a Southern California City, Are there any requirements for exercise equipment in a public park?, Path of Travel Requirements for “Public Accommodations located in Private Residences” and does readily achievable apply?, Is a single step considered a stair requiring handrails?, What code regulates curb height?
Questions answered this episode:
Robin – What would the reach limits be on CBC 11B-608.10 Where a soap dish is provided, it shall be located on the control wall at 40 inches maximum above the shower floor, and “within the reach limits from the seat.”
John – I have attached a very interesting letter from an ADA advocate to a Southern California city. The letter obviously shows that the ADA advocate knows the code. (Luckily I am not the CASp referenced in the letter). I don’t expect you to comment on every issue but I would like to hear your general thoughts. Specifically, I would like to know if you agree with the ADA advocate’s interpretation on who is the enforcing agency, whether a determination of technical infeasibility has to be subject to the appeals process of a city council, and undue burden in Title 2 new construction. Since you both were Building Officials, I would love to hear how you handled these types of issues.
ADA advocate to a Southern California City
John – My local public park has four exercise stations located around the perimeter of the park. The exercise stations are about 30′ square and each are located within a sand box. There are chin-up bars, dip bars, sit-up benches, etc. and there is a large sign at each station that gives suggestions of what exercises to do and how many to do. However they are surrounded by grass and there is no accessible path to the exercise stations. Is an accessible path required to each exercise station and possibly braille signage?
John – 11B-245 “Public Accommodations located in Private Residences” appears to include the sidewalk in front of the business/residence as the responsibility of the home business located there. 11B-245.3 seems to imply that if a person runs a business out of their home that is open to the public and a remodel occurs, the sidewalk may potentially have to be made accessible by the home business as part of path of travel requirements in 11B-202.4. Also, the 2010 ADAS does not have a section 245. Since the CBC has this section, does the ongoing barrier removal requirement from the ADA apply if no remodel is done? Does the ongoing barrier removal requirement from the ADA apply only to sections located in the 2010 ADAS? Any news on the ADA Fast Finder website? I would really like to try it out.
Dave – Is a single step considered a stair requiring handrails?, Are the requirements different for residential vs. non-residential?, We have a few locations in both housing as well as other buildings that have single steps not equipped with handrails.
11B-504.6 Handrails. Stairs shall have handrails complying with 11B-505 (Handrails).
11B-505.2 Where Required. Handrails shall be provided on both sides of stairs and ramps.
STAIR. A change in elevation, consisting of one or more risers.
STAIRS. A series of two or more steps.
STEP. A riser and tread.
RISER. The upright part between two adjacent stair treads.
TREAD. The horizontal part of a step.
John – My local public park has four exercise stations located around the perimeter of the park. The exercise stations are about 30′ square and each is located within a sandbox. There are chin-up bars, dip bars, sit-up benches, etc. and there is a large sign at each station that gives suggestions of what exercises to do and how many to do. However, they are surrounded by grass and there is no accessible path to the exercise stations. – My local public park has four exercise stations located around the perimeter of the park. The exercise stations are about 30′ square and each is located within a sandbox. There are chin-up bars, dip bars, sit-up benches, etc. and there is a large sign at each station that gives suggestions of what exercises to do and how many to do. However, they are surrounded by grass and there is no accessible path to the exercise stations. Is an accessible path required to each exercise station and possibly braille signage?
Mike – What code regulates curb height? At an accessible parking area where the top of curb to the blacktop surface is 8″. Does this height have any bearing with fall protection? Talk about protruding objects like towel dispenser, waste receptacles at the clear floor space for w/c and lavys. These fixtures can project over 8″ in front of the wall into the fixture clearance.
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Great discussion on Title II – I have had several discussions with building officials that are under the impression that they can waive accessibility requirements within the city without a formal process.
It might be a good discussion topic for a show
Another topic that would be helpful is how we as CASPs can help small cities and public agencies develop a Title II plan (transition plan if more than 50 employees or alternate plan for smaller agencies)
The topics and questions are interesting and informative – thanks
Good points Roger! I think there are many opportunities for CASp’s to help with Title II entities. Thanks for the comments. No, show this week due to Thanksgiving, we will be back next week.
Hi Guys – I love your show & look forward to listening to it everyday on my 2-hour work commute! I thought that you had mentioned on the podcast that you had posted a “2016 CBC 11B Simplified” to calcasp.com, but after logging in I only see the 2013 version – has the 2016 not been posted yet? Also, when I click on many of the other reference documents I get the error message “The website declined to show this webpage. This website requires you to log in”, even with me being logged in. Are the documents not available yet, or is there a computer error on my end? Thank you & I really appreciate all of your hard work in putting together both the podcasts and calcasp.com.